breizhtom Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Salut Je suis en relation avec des membres du club de offshore rc de Trinitad & Tobago. qui organise tout les ans leur championnat entre eux..avec bilan des courses et dc des points remportés a la fin de saison . par curiosité j'ai demandé leur règlement de course. Ils m'ont très gentiment et courtoisement passé le texte, que je partage ici (avec leur accord évidement) Je leur parlais un peu des 24, et sont intéressés car eux font du ovale sur 5 à 10 tours sur 2-5 min de runs. Et ils regardent à faire du pseudo enduro sur 1 heure.quand ils m'ont demandé comment sont récupéré les bateaux calés, ils ont eu peur, ils 's’imaginent pas avoir un gars sur une sécu pour chopper les épaves...trop peur du choc... ce n'est pas pour créer de la polémique, mais juste pour apporter de l'info et voir ce qui se fait ailleurs.On y voit que la coque entre peu en jeux ds leur règles (meme si elles respectent le LSG Large scale gazoline boats) qu'il faudrait trouver si quelqu'un l'a?. voila leur règlement: Trinidad & Tobago Model Power Boat Club. CONSTITUTION 1. Title The Association shall be known as the TTMPBC. 2. Objectives a) To promote the construction and competitive, professional level racing of radio controlled boats. b) To facilitate the exchange of information and ideas relating to the sport. c) To set rules and standards for construction. d) To encourage National and International competition within a coordinated calendar. 3. Membership Membership shall be open to all interested in the advancement of model boating and shall be deemed to commence when the Association issues the appropriate membership documentation. Membership in TTMPBC is proof to the right to enter any TTMPBC sanctioned event. The membership fee will be paid per calender year and will not be prorated for a portion of the year. Membership shall be within the following categories:- a) Full individual members Individual 4. Resignation Any member wishing to withdraw from Association membership must notify the Secretary in writing. 5. Cessation of Membership Any member failing to renew his/her membership as required, or any member notifying his/her resignation shall forfeit all right to the Association, its property and its funds. 6. Officials To qualify for election to any Association Committee position, the member so elected must first be a member of the Association. The following Officers shall be elected for a period of two year at the AGM. The nominee must be a member for no less than 3 months of the Association. The positions are as follows: President, Vice-President, Secretary, Treasurer, Competition Secretary, plus 2 Floor Members. These Officers shall comprise the Association Executive Committee. A quorum of the Executive Committee shall consist of at least 60% of the Executive Officers. 7. Voting Proposals for change of the Association Constitution or Constitution rules shall require a two-thirds majority at an AGM, conference, postal or proxy vote respectively. All elections of officers shall be decided by a straight vote of those present unless any other of the voting mechanisms are employed. Proposals for changes should be sent to the Secretary Treasurer in writing with an explanation. 8. Finance All matters relating to the spending of Association funds shall be referred through the Treasurer to the Executive Committee. The Treasurer shall make an annual financial statement to the AGM offering all relevant documents for inspection at the meeting. At each AGM an Auditor shall be appointed to hold office for one year. In the event that an auditor is not satisfied with the financial affairs of the Association he/she shall require the Secretary to convene an Executive Committee meeting within 21 days. 9. Financial Year 01 January to 31 December. 10. General Meetings (GM) (a) Annual General Meeting (AGM) The AGM shall be held as soon as possible after the end of the financial year as is practical and in any event not later than the month of February following the AGM to be attended by 60% of financial members. No TTMPBC Sanctioned events may take place on the day of the AGM. The following business shall be transacted at the AGM:- 1) Reports on the general working of the Association and its sections. 2) Representation of the Association accounts. 3) Review and agreement of the annual membership fee. 4) Discussion of any other business of which due notice has been given. 5) Arrange a provisional date for the next AGM, which shall in any event be held within thirty days of the provisional date. (b) General Election Meeting (GEM) A General Election Meeting will be held on the second anniversary of the elected Board This GEM will convened on the second Saturday of November of that year. This is necessary as it facilitates the smooth transition of governments from the existing financial year. Nominations of board members should be sent in writing to the Secretary, Treasurer on or before 6 weeks of the GEM Date. 1. Election of Officers and Auditor 2. Reports on the general working of the Association and its sections. 3. Representation of the Association accounts. 4. Review and agreement of the annual membership fee. 5. Discussion of any other business of which due notice has been given. 6. Arrange a provisional date for the next AGM, which shall in any event be held within thirty days of the provisional date. 11. Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) (a) An EGM may be called at any time if the Executive Committee so decide. The Secretary shall also call a meeting on receiving written request to that effect, signed by no less than 30% of the membership. Such a general meeting shall take place within 28 days of the written request being received and all members shall receive 14 days notice of the meeting, but without the necessity for detailing any further particulars. A resolution of an EGM shall not be valid unless 30% of the membership is present and not unless the resolution is passed by at least two-thirds of the members voting. (b) No confidence motion of any Board Member will be reviewed by the Board Members, and once deemed valid, a EGM will be held. (c) No confidence motion against the Board, an arbitrator will review the complaint, and once valid an EGM will be held. In the event the Board is voted out, no member of the Board will not be eligible for a post on the next Board. 12. Minutes of Meeting Minutes of an AGM, EGM or Annual Conference shall be published as soon as convenient thereafter and in any case before the next race meeting. Minutes of committee meetings shall be available to all committee members, including ex-officio members, before the next similar meeting. Copies of all minutes shall be kept indefinitely by the Club secretary. 13. Deficiency of Funds In the event of insolvency, the deficit shall be made good by an equal payment from each member or in such a manner as an AGM or EGM shall decide. 14. Members Addresses Each members address and contact information shall be recorded in the Associations records and shall be deemed to be correct unless the Membership Secretary be notified in writing of an alteration of change of said member. This information will not be divulged to members of the public without the permission of the member/s. 15. Constitution Rules A copy of the Constitution shall be forwarded to each member on joining and thereafter annually in an Association Handbook. These rules so presented shall be binding on every member. It is the responsibility of the member to ensure that his rule book remains current with all amendments. No member shall be absolved from the effect of these rules on allegation of having not received them. 16. Interpretation of Rules The Executive Committee shall be the sole authority for the interpretation of these rules and the decision of the Committee upon question of interpretation, or upon any other matter affecting the Association not provided for by these rules, shall be final and binding on the members. 17. Alteration of Constitution The Constitution defines the rules for the government of the Association. All alterations or additions in the Constitution may only be adopted by resolution at an AGM or EGM convened according to the Constitution. Such resolution must receive a two-thirds majority voting. 18. Dissolution of Association If, at any general meeting, a resolution for the dissolution of the Association be passed by a two-thirds majority of the membership present, and such resolution be confirmed at an EGM, held not less than one month thereafter, at which not less than half the members are present, by a majority of two-thirds of the members of the Committee shall thereupon or at such date as shall be specified in the resolution, proceed to dissolve the Association. The Committee shall proceed to realize the property of the Association, and after discharge of all liabilities, shall divide the same amongst all members according to the proportions decided at the EGM. Upon completion of such division the Association shall be dissolved. 19. Obligation of Members a) To uphold the Constitution of the Association. b) Affiliated clubs must keep the Association informed of the names and addresses and interests of all their members (Stating if they are Association members in any other capacity than club affiliated members) and in addition the Association must be informed immediately of any additions, deletions or changes in their membership. The affiliated clubs must advise the Association of the name and address of the club official who is responsible for the communication of the above information. c) All Board Members will be required to sign a Declaration of Secrecy Document. 20. Awards/Prizes at TTMPBC Sanctioned Events • This shall at no time be that of CASH. Prizes in the form of trophies, parts, boats or cheque payment will be acceptable. 21. The Club (TTMPBC) • Place of Meeting. Meetings of board members shall be held by either, conference call, net meeting or formal.Election Meeting: At this time the votes will be counted and the new board of directors will be appointed. • Special Meetings Any board member may call a "special meeting", but must submit a request (verbally or written) to either the President, or the Vice President of the association. Such request must state the purpose of the proposed meeting. Business transacted at a special meeting shall be confined to the proposal stated in the notice. • Board of Directors The business of the TTMPBC Association shall be managed by it's board of directors, each of whom shall be at least 18 yrs of age and a active member. The board will meet monthly via conference call, net meeting or . • Election and Term of Directors At each election meeting of the board, the members vote will decide the board members to hold office until the next election meeting. Each board member shall hold his office until expiration of the term for which he is elected and until his successor has been elected and verified, or until his proper resignation or removal. • Removal of Directors Any officer elected or appointed by the board may be removed by the board with or without cause with a majority vote. In the event of the death, resignation, or removal of an officer, the board in its discretion may elect or appoint a successor to fill the unexpired term. • Resignation A director may resign at any time by giving notice to the board, or the President of the association. The resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the board or such officer, and the reciept of the resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. • President The president shall be the chief executive officer of the TTMPBC Association; he shall preside at all meetings of the board, he shall have the management of the association and shall see that all orders and resolutions of the board are executed. • Vice President During the absence or disability of the president, the vice president, shall have all the powers and duties of the president. • Rule Changes All rule changes can be submitted in writing at any time throughout the year by any member in good standing. These proposed changes will be kept up to date on the web site and sent out for approval by majority vote, after the final race each calendar year. The ballots will be tallied and kept for review for a 60 day period. The new rules will be posted by the year- end for review. 22. PROTESTS (a) Protests may be submitted against: • Vessel or parts of vessel • Technical issues • Results • Race procedures, policies or decisions. (b) Protests considered by the Competition Secretary to be frivolous or unsportsmanlike will not be accepted. (c) Protests may only be submitted by drivers properly entered in, and have paid for the event during which the protest is submitted. (d) All protests must alternately be submitted to the Competition Secretary verbally or in writing. (e) Protests must be delivered to the Competition Secretary within five minutes of the end of the protested event. (f) Protests must be accompanied by a $175 fee per item protested, plus the retail replacement cost for each item protested if a tear-down is requested or required to evaluate the protest. (g) Vessel or technical protests that apply to an event may only be submitted by another driver in the same event. (h) Any engine or motor that is protested may only be torn down for internal inspection at the end of the days event. The engine or motor will be marked at the time of protest in such a manner that it can be identified at the end of the days event. (i) A driver who has a protest lodged against his vessel, or any part thereof, is required to make the vessel available for inspection. Failure to do so will result in disqualification. (j) Vessel or Technical protests: (k) The driver lodging the protest must deliver the written protest and protest fees to the Competition Secretary prior to the initiation of the inspection of the protested vessel. Those allowed to attend the inspection will be as follows (where relevant): • The protester • The protested driver • The protested driver's mechanic • The Technical Inspector • The Competition Secretary • The Designated TTMPBC Official (l) Designated representatives may replace any of the above. (m) The driver or mechanic may be required to dismantle the vessel under the supervision of the Race Officials. (n) If the protested vessel or part is found to comply with the sections of the rules for which it was protested, the item's retail replacement cost (if the item was destroyed by the examination) or $100 of the protest fee submitted, will be given to the protested driver. (Which ever is greater) The club will retain the balance of the fee. (o) If the protested vessel or item is found not to comply with the sections of the rules for which it was protested, the retail replacement cost will be returned to the protesting driver, and the protested driver disqualified. 23. Organizational protests: (a) Only TTMPBC members taking part in the event may make this type of protest. (b) They must personally deliver a written protest along with a $75 protest fee to the Competition Secretary. (c) The protest must be filed within 15 minutes of the associated development that defines the results, procedures or policies being protested. (d) The protest must explain the problem and have a solution. If TTMPBC rules are referred to in the arguments, they must be quoted or referred to by rule number. (e) If the Competition Secretary determines the protest to be valid, he will meet with the Designated TTMPBC Official for discussion of a possible solution for this event. But it is recommended that the solution be discussed with the other officials at the event. (f) If changes are made to any rules or procedures for the event as the result of a valid organizational protest, the Competition Secretary must submit a written report of the protest and the action(s) taken to the TTMPBC President within two days of the completion of the event. (g) If the Competition Secretary determines the protest to be invalid, the protest will be refused. 24. Club Fees Premium Membership • Yearly Individual fee: TT$300.00 . Race Fees: Entry fees per Race event is TT$200.00 per boat , for one class, and an additional $40.00 for every other class entry. There will be a late fee for payments on race day. Non-Members • $100.00 for the use of the course on Open Days or Open course times. Not exceeding a max of 3 visits. IMPORTANT. Race fees are due before each event. All fees payable to club treasurer/Secretary All Fees must be paid in full in order to enter a Championship. All contestants should enter before the start of each biannual Championship has started. 25. Scoring (Point s Awarded) • The points rating for each race in the championship is as follows. FIVE LAP RACES TEN LAP RACES 1st place- 400 points 1st place 600 points 2nd place- 300 points 2nd place 450 points 3rd place- 225 points 3rd place 338 points 4th place - 169 points 4th place 254 points 5th place - 127 points 5th place 191 points 6th place - 96 points 6th place 144 points 7th place - 72 points 7th place 108 points 8th place - 54 points 8th place 81points • D.N.F 25 POINTS All championship races will be two 5 lap and one 10 lap race. All boats must complete all laps to receive points. DNS no points. DNF 25 points 26. Race Classes Three boats make a Class. There are three racing classes. Stock Class, Modified Class, Super Modified Class. Any boat that does not conform to the above listed class rules will be placed in the Super Modified Class, STOCK CLASS Class Description The intent of the Stock Class is to provide a Large Scale Gasoline (LSG) racing class; that enables the participant to compete with a single factory stock engine, called Stock (S). Hull Specification 42” to 65” long Deep-V or Catamaran Competitors must use the same hull as entered in the first race of a championship for the entire championship Contestants must begin race with covers secured to the boat, No changes to the hydrodynamics or aerodynamics of the boat will be allowed during the championship. Any replacement/repair of hull or major parts of the hull must conform to the above mentioned rule. Failure to comply will result in the boat being classified as a new boat of a different design. Engine Specifications a. Each engine must have a working throttle control and must be set up to be completely stopped with the transmitter controls. b. The engine must be factory stock Zenoah 22-25.4cc piston ported fuel intake gasoline powered 2-cycle engine with a blue head gasket. Absolutely no internal modifications. i.e. NO MATERIAL SHALL BE REMOVED FROM OR ADDED TO THE EXHAUST OR INTAKE PORTS THIS INCLUDES THE TRANSFER PORTS. Some minor external modifications may be done but are limited to the following: 1) Tapping the case or carburetor heat dam for a cooling pump. 2) External modification to support throttle linkage. 3) Movement of the engine coil to another location on the engine or hull. 4) Engine must be water cooled. c. The engine must use a spark plug type ignition. No glow plug or compression induced combustion allowed. d. The carburetor must be the stock model 644, unmodified carburetor that was furnished with the engine. No parts such as the choke shall be removed from the carburetor. All engines must be naturally aspirated and have a piston ported system. e. All engines can have a canister muffler, custom muffled exhaust system or tuned pipe (Aluminum, Steel or Stainless Steel). Silencers Must be fitted Modified Class Class Description The intent of the Modified Class is to provide a Large Scale Gasoline (LSG) racing class that enables the participant to compete with a single Modified (Purpose or Non Purpose Built ) engine, called Modified (M). Hull Specification 42” to 65” long Deep-V or Catamaran. Competitors must use the same hull as entered in the first race of a championship for the entire championship, No changes to the hydrodynamics or aerodynamics of the boat will be allowed during the championship. Any replacement/repair of hull or major parts of the hull must conform to the above mentioned rule. Failure to comply will result in the boat being classified as a new boat of a different design. Engine Specifications a. The engine must have a working throttle control and must be set up to be completely stopped with the transmitter controls. b. The engine must be piston ported fuel intake gasoline powered 2-cycle engine with a maximum displacement of 26cc / 30.5cc. No Quickdraw Pioneer engine of any size. c. Modifications are allowed either by adding or removing material from Intake & Exhaust Ports, Transfer Ports. Increasing Compression, altering Ignition Timing and lightening the Flywheel. d. The engine must use a spark plug type ignition. No glow plug or compression induced combustion allowed. e. The carburetor can be modified and any size or brand name,. The choke can be removed from the carburetor. All engines must be normally aspirated and have a piston ported or reed valve fuel induction system. f.. Tuned pipe (Aluminum, Mild Steel or Stainless Steel), Silencers must be fitted. g. Engine must be water cooled. SUPER MODIFIED CLASS Class Description The intent of the Super Modified Class is to provide a Large Scale Gasoline (LSG) racing class that enables the participant to compete with similar type Hulls called, Super Modified (SM) . Hull Specification 42” to 60” long Deep Vee or Catamaran. Competitors must use the same hull as entered in the first race of a championship for the entire championship, No changes to the hydrodynamics or aerodynamics of the boat will be allowed during the championship. Any replacement of hull or major parts of the hull must conform to the above mentioned rule. Failure to comply will result in the boat being classified as a new boat of a different design. Engine Specifications a. Each engine must have a working throttle control and must be set up to be completely stopped with the transmitter controls . b. The engine must be piston ported fuel intake gasoline powered 2-cycle engine with a maximum displacement of 2.135 cid / 35.000cc. c. Modifications are allowed either by adding or removing material from Intake & Exhaust Ports, Transfer Ports. Increasing Compression, altering Ignition Timing and lightening the Flywheel. d. The engine must use a spark plug type ignition. No glow plug or compression induced combustion allowed. e. The carburetor can be modified and any size or brand,. The choke can be removed from the carburetor. All engines must be normally aspirated and have a piston ported or reed valve fuel induction system. f.. Tuned pipe (Aluminum, Mild Steel or Stainless Steel), and Silencers must be fitted g. Engine must be water-cooled. 27. CLUB CONDUCT The following RULES OF CONDUCT are sportsmanship guidelines utilized to maintain a positive atmosphere in events sponsored by TTMPBC. These rules will be applied to all events, meetings, etc. in all age groups. Each member will be provided with this information and it is their responsibility to adhere to them. Ignorance of these rules will not be considered as an acceptable excuse for violations. The RULES OF CONDUCT will be in effect before, during, and after each event, practice, or meeting. These guidelines will apply to all special events conducted by TTMPBC regardless of where these events are taking place. Each competing member will be provided with special rules and vessel requirements if needed for that particular event. These rules will not be considered separate from the RULES OF CONDUCT and violations of the event rules can result in suspension. Members suspended as a result of infractions of the RULES OF CONDUCT will not be given refunds for fees in such events where fees were required. Participant---Any of the following: a member or parent, spectator or friend of that member. Any TTMPBC committee member has the authority to eject any participant from the event or property based on non-adherence to the RULES OF CONDUCT. Repeated violations by members or their guests can result in penalties or expulsion from the event or championship. Violations of the RULES OF CONDUCT at the conclusion of seasonal play may result in a penalty application in succeeding seasons. RULES OF CONDUCT 1. All participants must abide by an official's decision. 2. All participants must refrain from all objectionable demonstrations of dissent at an official's decision (i.e. kicking or throwing equipment, speaking loudly to an official, making gestures toward an official, etc.). 3. During the course of an event, only the driver or parent (if applicable) will be allowed to discuss decisions reached by an official with the official, unless input from others is requested by the official. 4. All participants must refrain from using profane, obscene, or vulgar language. 5. Taunting, mocking, and/or harassment of other participants or officials will not be allowed. Playful banter is allowed as long as all participants are in agreement, but must cease if any participant objects. 8. No drinking of alcohol or smoking in the pits PENALTY FOR ITEMS 1-5 Participant will be warned for a first offense. A second offense will result in the participant being ejected from the event/practice/etc. and possible suspension from the next event (regular season or championship). 6. Verbal abuse of the officials or participants will not be allowed. 7. Profane, obscene, or vulgar language used maliciously toward another participant or official will not be allowed. PENALTY FOR ITEMS 6 & 7 Participant will be ejected immediately from the event/practice/ etc. and suspended from the next regular season events. 8. Participants must refrain from pushing, shoving, laying a hand on, or threatening to do any of these actions to another participant or official. PENALTY FOR ITEM 8 The participant will be immediately ejected from the event, pratice, etc. and suspended for the remainder of the season, or, if circumstances warrant, be suspended from further competitions held by the TTMPBA. RULES OF THE COURSE. 28. Start Sequence. 1. The start of a race will be based on its scheduled time. All participating boats will have to be in the water before there scheduled start time. The boats will go around the course in a clock wise direction no cutting of course markers a deduction of 100 points for every marker missed will be deducted, 2. the race marshal will start the clock 5 minutes before race start Any boat that passed the starting line before the starting signal will actually start the race when they pass through the starting gate on there next lap. Slowing down or speeding up is allowed to time the start, but no turning around, zig zaging or cutting the course will be allowed. 100 points will be deducted 2. A vessel cannot be launch after race starts. 3. All racers must drive on the course racing line, no short cuts when racing, Any course marker that is cut will have to be re-rounded or 100 points will be deducted per marker missed 4. Points will be awarded to each boat and driver as a team. Any change of boat or driver all prior accumulated points for that season will remain with the previous boat and driver team. 5. All racers are responsible for the actions of their pit crew. . 29. Refueling Procedure 1. Care must be taken to avoid fuel spillage. 2. A fire extinguisher will be provided in the pit area. 3.Vessels entering / exiting the course from the pit must yield to boats on the course.. 30. Drivers Etiquette 1. All drivers are expected to act in a mature fashion. 2. Deliberate damage to other vessels on the course will result in lost laps, points deduction or expulsion from the course. 3. Competing drivers shall not yell or use profanity while a race day is in progress. These actions may result in points deduction or expulsion from the course. 4. Slower traffic on the course must allow faster vessels past with minimal restriction. Stay your course and line. 5. Cutting a course marker is strictly prohibited, and will have to be navigated on that lap when the course is clear, to avoid the penalty of losing 100 points per marker. 6. All drivers must be tolerant of younger and/or newer drivers. 31. Disqualification Penalty 1. Rough driving or intentional hacking (distracting drivers with verbal abuse) - (disqualification).. 2. Using improper language or actions with a Competition Secretary or course official. 3. Driving your vessel anywhere other than the course - (1 warning). The Competition Secretary and the Committe has final say on all race rules and decisions 2 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
BZH29 Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Faudrait leur demander comment ils font avec les sel dans les moulins, j'ai essayé ça fini pas bien.... Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
breizhtom Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Auteur Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 demande aux pieds nikelés du sud.. Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Bonjour YANNICK depuis bien longtemps j a i participé a des courses en mer OLERON VILLE FRANCHE SUR MER trois courses de la KANNOT CUP Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Bonjour YANNICK depuis bien longtemps j a i participé a des courses en mer OLERON VILLE FRANCHE SUR MER trois courses de la KANNOT CUP en Guadeloupe Il est primordiale a la fin de la journée de bien rincer le matériel et de le lubrifier Le seul problème auquel j ai été confronté la corrosion des roulements d un moteur R C M K , moteur équipé de roulements dit étanche malgré le rinçage interne du moteur a l eau douce et le remplissage du carter moteur d huile de l eau de mer était deme avant que l on puisse démonter le moteur Jacques Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
breizhtom Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Auteur Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 La reponse d’un des gars du ttmbc »We wash the boats thoroughly with fresh water flush all water passages spray with corrosionx or wd40 fill engines with oil » Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
titi 29 Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 bonsoir. je comprends WD40 à part que ce produit anti corrosif est à proscrire pour nos moteurs car il a la particularité de bouffer tous les joints joints spi joint carbu , membrane ou autres à+ Louis 1 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
Maskali XIII Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Salut, juste une petite intrusion pour dire qu'il y a maintenant une très bonne alternative au wd40 en magasin pro... Je ne stock plus de wd mais son confrère ( ex chimiste wd)... KF! Non ils font pas du poulet !... Mais tout ce que fait wd en mieux, moins agressif pour les plastiques, sans produits dangereux (reconnu cancérigène)... Ni odeur désagréable comme le wd, et surtout enrichi au PTFE, là où le wd degraissait et lassait les pièces "sèches" Je ne vend et n'utilise plus que ça... A essayer pour votre usage thermique ! 1 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 17 janvier 2019 Bonsoir pour bien stoker ou protéger un zen ou autre moteur notre équipe a toujours procédé de la manière suivante apres quelques secondes de fonctionnement a vide afin de bien vider le pot de détente de toute présence d eau Remplir le moteur d huile moteur par la bougie minimum 30 A 40 cm avec une seringue afin que les roulements vilebrequin baignent dans l huile ainsi que le roulement a aiguille du maneton de vilebrequin penser a positionner le piston a point mort bas afin d immerger le maneton dans l huile Puis retourner le moteur bougie vers le bas pour graissé le roulement a aiguille de l axe de piston Par précaution ne pas resserrer complémentent la bougie pour éviter une tentative de démarrage avant la purge de l huile du carter du moteur Jacques Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
Catamario35 Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Et pour les roulements de moteurs électriques c'est quoi la technique ? Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
ketokole Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 il y a une heure, Catamario35 a dit : Et pour les roulements de moteurs électriques c'est quoi la technique ? Salut Pareil que pour les thermiques Sinon une petite goutte d'huile fine sur chaque rlts après une sortie et t'auras de la marge Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
Catamario35 Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 il y a 31 minutes, ketokole a dit : Salut Pareil que pour les thermiques Sinon une petite goutte d'huile fine sur chaque rlts après une sortie et t'auras de la marge Salut pierre ! oui mais je pense pas que ça soit assez.... Le sel sur les roulements, flex , bagues DU, circuit de refroidissement, visserie etc.. doit vraiment attaquer rapidement... Même après rinçage, j'aimerais avoir des vrais retours de ceux qui tournent en élec en eau salée sur du long terme ! Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Bonsoir MARIO il est impératif de démonter le flexible apres une navigation en mer de bien le rincer a l eau douce ainsi que les bagues de la chaise d hélice et la gaine téflon de la ligne de transition Pour le circuit de refroidissement d eau tout simplement tu prend une gorgée d eau douce en bouche que tu injectes par l orifice de sortie de ton circuit de refroidissement Pour rincer un moteur électrique ayant trempé dans de l eau de mer tu le fait tourné dans un recipient d eau douce ( du moins pour un moteur a charbon ) Tu le laisse séché en le faisant tourner a vide et une injection interne de produit anti corrosion de ton choix ( voir présentation par XAVIER du K F 5 ) Une goutte d huile sur les roulements bien sur ne peut pas faire de ma . J ai très souvenant navigué en mer avec des petit bateaux électrique de vitesse pour faire piloter des enfants Je n ai jamais rencontré de problème de corrosion des dizaines d années Toute fois par précaution une lingette en éponge était disposé en fond de coque au cas d une entrée d eau . Par contre il faut bien se sécher les mains avant d ouvrir la coque afin de changer la batterie et de prendre l émetteur en main Jacques Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
ketokole Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Salut Je suppose que pour le thermique, le stockage "longue durée" se fait différemment que l'entretien "au quotidien" alors que pour un brushless c'est kif kif. Ce sont les minéraux contenus dans l'eau "salée" qui posent problème niveau court jus et oxydation. Sur un moteur brushless il n'y a pas de collecteur et le point faible ce sont les rlts et seulement les rlts. Maintenant c'est sur qu'un BL dans les cales du titanic serait ressorti "rouillé" de partout après un bain prolongé car le feuillard est à base de métal ferreux. Pour un BL, faut rincer pour virer les "minéraux" puis chasser l'humidité (WD40 ou KF machin) et ensuite lubrifier....un bateau électrique embarque moins d'eau qu'un thermique normalement donc il sera sans doute moins sensible au phénomène !!! l'éponge "miracle" est très utile. Mario, c'est d'imaginer faire prendre un bain d'huile (méthode fish pour un zen) à un BL qui m'a fait réagir..et sourire ! Les carcasses des moteurs finissent par avoir un dépôt blanchâtre sous leur chemise sinon...et les court-jus sont plus fréquents à cause des "minéraux" qui se déposent partout et font "court jus" sans prévenir. 1 1 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
Catamario35 Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 18 janvier 2019 Vous m'avez pas convaincu Enfin bref, mes coques n'iront jamais dans l'eau salée... c'était juste pour l'info ! Démonté les bagues DU après chaque nav... C'est abusé Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Bonjour MARIO je ne conseil pas de déposer les bagues DU mais juste de déposer la ligne de transmission pour la nettoyer des traces de sel et de procéder a sa lubrification ainsi que celle des bagues . PIERRE je ne possède pas l expérience de faire tourner un moteur BL dans un récipient d eau douce pour le nettoyer de le présence de sel marin PIERRE Je ne propose pas pour un moteur électrique une immersion dans un bain d huile . Mais juste un pulvérisation interne dans le moteur et dans la chemise de refroidissement d eau d un produit anti corrosion de votre choix après rinçage du circuit . Jamais mon petit NOSTEP équipé d un moteur BL n a eut a déplorer d entrée d eau de mer dans la coque apres bien des heures de jeux en mer en Corse ou en Guadeloupe Naviguer en mer demande juste un peu sérieux et de rigueur dans le montage du bateau dans le remplacement des batteries sur la plage ou sur le bateau d accompagnement et son entretient apres navigation Jacques Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
ketokole Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Je sais Jacques que le bain d'huile c'est pour un zen....j'ai juste imaginer la même "recette" pour un BL et ça m'a foutu la banane. L'entretien doit être plus "sérieux" en eau de mer car même sans être en contact avec l'eau "salée" la corrosion arrivera rapido. L'iode, le sel et tout le toutime est dans l'air également....faut pas l'oublier ! Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Bonjour THOMAS passes moi un appel téléphonique Jacques Citation Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
jacques poisson Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 MARIO consulte le site de MONSIEUR MASKALI ouvert en novembre 2016 au sujet de sa réalisation exceptionnelle de coque open WESTON BAHLER XAVIER navigue en mer avec son bateau . Pour ma part j utilise depuis 2005 la coque NOSTEP pour de soit navigation en mer soit surement plus de 40 H de fonctionnement . Voila donc une réponse a ta demande de renseignement concernant le comportement a long terme de ce mode de navigation pour un bateau RC Jacques Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
Maskali XIII Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 19 janvier 2019 Oh que oui... Et quand c'est ouvert et sauvage... C'est un super pied ! Étang de Berre, calanques de Marseille, îles du Frioul, port de L'Estaque... C'est toujours un plaisir. On fait avec ce que l'on a sous la main, et dans le coin, l'eau douce c'est trop rare, on la garde pour le pastis... Bon après, faut pas faire le flémard ... Gros rinçage à l'eau claire et démontage et kf5 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
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josselin Posté(e) 21 janvier 2019 Share Posté(e) 21 janvier 2019 Le 19/01/2019 à 18:56, Maskali XIII a dit : excellent ton filston 1 Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
j-m Posté(e) 10 avril 2020 Share Posté(e) 10 avril 2020 Bonjour! Petit up sur ce sujet car je devrais naviguer bientôt en méditerranée avec mon bateau électrique. J'ai observé des pratiquants qui inondaient abondamment le circuit de refroidissement avec du WD40. Cette méthode ne pose t'elle pas de problème au niveau de la bague de refroidissement moteur et du contrôleur? Merci à vous, courage et prudence durant cette période de confinement! Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
ketokole Posté(e) 11 avril 2020 Share Posté(e) 11 avril 2020 Salut Le WD40 sert principalement à chasser l'humidité...Après une sortie en mer, un rinçage du circuit de refroidissement à l'eau douce est plus que conseillé car le sel est corrosif. Donc eau "douce" oui mais WD40 pas obligatoire si rinçage effectué. Sans doute que ceux qui rincent au WD40 n'ont pas d'eau douce à portée de main. Comme il faut en mettre dans les trans pour éviter qu'elles rouillent, ils ont la bombe dans les mains et en font "profiter" le circuit de refroidissement dans la foulée. Perso je soufflerais un grand coup par le trou d'évacuation après rinçage par injection d'eau douce grâce à une seringue mais je mettrais pas de WD40 dans le circuit d'eau, même si c'est sans danger. Chercher à chasser l'humidité (l'eau) d'un refroidissement à eau, faut être un peu "vicieux". J'ai jamais entendu dire que le WD40 attaquait les joints de la chemise mais de l'eau douce et un peu de souffle suffit. Les moteurs ne craignent rien avec le WD40 mais ce produit ne remplace pas de la "vraie" huile pour lubrifier les rlts...et les ESC aussi ne craignent rien. Perso ceux que je "tropicalise" sont 100% étanches et marcheraient même sous l'eau. Je suis économe en WD40 malgré moi donc, car en foutre partout c'est la solution de facilité qui est trop grasse à mes doigts yeux. Sortez couvert Restez à couvert Lien vers le commentaire Partager sur d’autres sites More sharing options...
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